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Type 6's: Are you out there???

2009-10-19T00:24:30Z

I don't think I've read any reference to Type 6's. I've taken several versions of the test and keep coming out a 6. If there aren't any others here, are there at least those who have personally been in contact with a 6? Good or bad I'd like to hear about it... Any other type that is particularly compatable?

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levels of health

2009-06-09T09:04:01Z

On riso-hudson version the levels of health run 9 levels from trainwreck to absolutely happy.
On the oral tradition enneagram, the subtype stackings balancing act accounts for levels of health.

Kind of the same thing, but...

What do you think causes one to move in and out of healthy? Is it situational, where others help us find healthy balance? or age and maturity? or natural inborn health or nurtured health in childhood??

What do you think causes us to slide up and down the scale of healthy personality?

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Amsuing ennea animal totems

2009-05-13T21:48:33Z

We found this somewhere whilst researching the enneagram for characters for a novel...

Enneagram Animal Totems

Compulsive totem
1. terrier
2. cat
3. peacock
4. basset hound
5. fox
6. rabbit
7. monkey
8. rhinocerous
9. elephant

Redeemed totem
1. ant hard work to a purpose
2. irish setter emotionally effusive
3. bald eagle at ease with who they are
4. black beauty special, graceful
5. owl alert rest, then swoop in
6. deer draws strength from group
7. butterfly beauty is a reflection
8. tiger beautiful and strong
9. porpoise relaxed, move with flow, intelligent, cooperative; aqueous mammal is a vulnerable contradiction

Sunny and Pierre Soleil
Harmonic Emergence - Return to Earth
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http://people.tribe.net/windwaterclear H.E.R.E BLOG
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http://www.panoramio.com/user/2861230 THE FORESTS WE ROAM
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/justcamping/ SMALL INFORMAL FOREST GATHERINGS AND WORKSHOPS More than just camping
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http://mmsmiracle.com/pierresoleil We take this every day it's amazing

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Hmmm... the ponderings of a 6

2009-05-03T15:31:36Z

Here's my deal.

I got into enneagram in 2002 and realized I was a 6. I studied it for a while and couldn't find folks to talk to about it and yadda, so I got away from it and started studying astrology.

So, 6w5.

But since then, I feel I have changed, maybe have even moved into another place. Sometimes, I feel like I am more like a 9... maybe a 9w1 or 8... or flipping between the two.

My question is: Has anyone else experienced a significant shift in type as they got older? Is it even possible -- I didn't think it was, but now I am not so sure.

I haven't taken an inventory test because I could make myself look like a 6 (or a 9) if I wanted to because I know too much about the types...

(help?)

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Enneagram and fictional characters

2009-04-24T03:49:38Z

Do any of you ever try to type fictional characters? I do it all the time when I watch The Sopranos (Is Tony a 3? Or an 8?). I realize it is an exercise in futility because we'll never really know. But, it's fun! Then I start to think about how deep and real you could make fictional characters if you utilized the Enneagram during the character development process. I wonder if successful screenwriters or novelists do this.

So, today I'm cruising around the web and I find this website that types Star Trek characters:
http://www.enneatrek.com/

I'm not a big Trekkie but I've seen enough to appreciate what the author of this website has done. It is very interesting. I figured I'd pass it on and see what others think of typing fictional characters. Have you done it? What do you think about Tony Soprano?

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Enn. type & Myers-Briggs, and Astrology

2009-02-15T14:14:07Z

What do people tend to score across personality systems? Is there is any trend, common thread that weaves it's way through each?

What is your Enneagram type, Myers-Briggs type, and Astrology?

I'm a Nine, INFP, Cancer.

( Myers-Briggs: http://www.personalitypage.com/high-level.html )

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Why so many fours?

2009-02-07T22:04:05Z

There are a LOT of fours in this tribe! So what is it about Fours and tribe? Are fours found more often in life or just on tribe? What's your theory? I'm a three but my boyfriend is a four. We were discussing this yesterday.

According to this survey: http://www.9types.com/rheti/stats.html
there are lots of fours who take the Enneagram test. It doesn't necessarily prove there are lots of fours in the world as a whole, just those who take the test.

Now isn't this counter to the four's feeling of being misunderstood, of feeling unique?

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How we get our personalities....

2008-12-17T02:46:06Z

So does anyone have any thoughts on how we come to have the personalities that we do? It is said amongst all the teachers I've studied that we are born with our point already fixed, that it is pre-determined, and that it does not change throughout life. Once a 7 always a 7 type of thing...

I've also heard some really fascinating theories about how this might happen though - how that is determined in the womb. It's similar to how our sex is determined in a way. We know some babies are born girls and others boys, but we don't stop there - we've long since researched into the phenomenon and found out about X and Y chromosomes and all this, and thus we understand how boys are born boys and girls girls. So what about our personalities?

Also, it begs the question that there is a biological basis or need involved. If our personalities are an act of our biology - i.e. it's Nature and not nurture - then why is that? Biology doesn't seem to do hardly anything extraneously, in fact if you look through the eons Life is amazingly efficient and adaptive to its exact environment and limitations. So how does the personality of the human fit into all this?

Have any ideas? Thoughts?

z+*

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Enneagram and Addictions

2008-12-10T00:06:55Z

Here is a list of enneagrams and their chosen addictions. I'm a three. Although I don't indulge these days, my drug of choice would definitely be amphetamines. Depressants have never done it for me. I just stick to caffine these days. And I've certainly been know to stretch my body to the limit working on a project or two or three....

How does it stand up for you?

Type 1 The Reformer
Excessive use of diets, vitamins, and cleansing techniques (fasts, diet pills, enemas). Under-eating for self-control: in extreme cases anorexia and bulimia. Alcohol to relieve tension.

Type 2 The Helper
Abusing food and over-the-counter medications. Bingeing, especially on sweets and carbohydrates. Over-eating from feeling "love-starved." Hypochondria to look for sympathy.

Type 3 The Achiever
Over-stressing the body for recognition. Working out to exhaustion. Starvation diets. Workaholism. Excessive intake of coffee, stimulants, amphetamines, cocaine, steroids or excessive surgery for cosmetic improvement.

Type 4 The Individualist
Over-indulgence in rich foods, sweets, alcohol to alter mood, to socialize, and for emotional consolation. Lack of physical activity. Bulimia. Depressants. Tobacco, prescription drugs, or heroin for social anxiety. Cosmetic surgery to erase rejected features.

Type 5 The Investigator
Poor eating and sleeping habits due to minimizing needs. Neglecting hygiene and nutrition. Lack of physical activity. Psychotropic drugs for mental stimulation and escape, narcotics for anxiety.

Type 6 The Loyalist
Rigidity in diet causes nutritional imbalances ("I don't like vegetables.") Working excessively. Caffeine and amphetamines for stamina, but also alcohol and depressants to deaden anxiety. Higher susceptibility to alcoholism than many types.

Type 7 The Enthusiast
The type most prone to addictions: stimulants (caffeine, cocaine, and amphetamines), Ecstasy, psychotropics, narcotics, and alcohol but tend to avoid other depressants. Wear body out with effort to stay "up." Excessive cosmetic surgery, pain killers.

Type 8 The Challenger
Ignore physical needs and problems: avoid medical visits and check-ups. Indulging in rich foods, alcohol, tobacco while pushing self too hard leads to high stress, strokes, and heart conditions. Control issues central, although alcoholism and narcotic addictions are possible.

Type 9 The Peacemaker
Over-eating or under-eating due to lack of self-awareness and repressed anger. Lack of physical activity. Depressants and psychotropics, alcohol, marijuana, narcotics to deaden loneliness and anxiety.

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Type the candidates

2008-11-14T21:45:27Z

McCain. Obama. Palin. Biden.

What types are they?

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subtypes

2008-11-14T21:41:24Z

do we attract those of the same subtype?
i'm a sexual and my wife a self pres, but it seems all those who share a natural attraction with me are sexuals too.
as a 4, the socials are intriguing to me.. but not sure i have been genuinely attracted to any.
you?

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Type yourself

2008-08-12T21:34:04Z

What are you? I *think* I'm a 2 w/ 1 wing, married to a 6. Don't know his wing - I don't have my books anymore and it's been years since I've studied...

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sudoku and enneagram

2008-07-31T09:06:37Z

was doing a sudoku puzzle last night and realized as i looked for the numbers, i put the enneagram types in there!
Like I said to myself "ok, look for the 7's.. they'll be avoiding the pain and hiding out" or whatever fit... laughed out loud at a few points..

there is some real mathmatical purity in these puzzles.. i'm puzzled by how there can be a relationship between the two.

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Point 6 Ponderings...

2008-06-10T04:56:10Z

My partner and three of my closest friends just all happen to be 6's. In fact, I seem to know a damn lot of 6's. I've often wondered if there isn't a greater number of them than other points - or maybe its a greater number of the inner triad (3's, 6's & 9's)? Perhaps, I've thought, the enneagram is actually even more of a tri-fold symmetry then we might think, and there are relatively higher percentages of certain points present in our society at all times, the same way that our biology regulates the births of males to females...

switching tracks a little... is it just me or do 6's have a tendency to be the most committed non-committals? grrrr.... With some things I feel I can bet my life on them and with other things i feel they just cannot be pinned down - its never in between. Maybe because making a commitment is such a major thing to a 6? There's just such a deliberateness involved. It's been very interesting to me to have been studying the enneagram and ego psychology for a number of years now and to also so intimately know so many 6's. This particular personality type has truly jumped off the pages of all the books for me and come alive as a much more dynamic, more intricate and complex configuration of Being that any of the other points. Sometimes I've noticed similarities about my friends that I haven't read about yet and I'll ask them what their experience with it is...

Also fascinating is the phenomenon of 6's tending to be one of the most psychic points on the enneagram. I have experienced this a lot! I'm curious what others' experience with this is. My partner is a great example. He's the first person I ever knew who not only can hear my thoughts quite often, he can also put his own thoughts in my head and I think they're mine at first. Its like his psychic aura is so powerful that when I'm around it I'm just swimming in it...

Anyway... enough of that... just had some thoughts and wanted to start a thread!

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Motto for your type...

2008-04-22T18:46:32Z

I was responding to someone on LJ, and I said "as an Enneagram type nine (motto: There's no problem so big it can't be ignored.") [...]".

Which leads me to wonder; what kind of "humorous" motto would be an accurate description for your (or someone elses, I suppose) type?

Use this format (because I think it makes it sound funnier):
Our motto: "La-la-la, I can't hear you."

Our motto: "Dude. Can't we all just get along?"

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If you have a moment!

2008-04-21T23:30:17Z

Can I ask a favor if you have a moment?

I am putting together a brief transitions group for the high school seniors at my school getting ready to graduate. I thought they might have fun doing the Enneagram, Meyers Briggs, and Josef tests for self-discovery. I realized that I had never actually taken the enneagram and just assumed I was a 4 but when I took both forms of the enneagram test a bit ago at my sibling's request, turns out I am not a 4 at all but actually a 9. Its interesting to me how our self-perception can vary ... So, here is my question/favor. If you have never taken the enneagram, or if you took it a long time ago, can you take a guess which type below you think you are now and then actually take the test here at http://www.eclecticenergies.com/enneagram/test.php and then let me know if it turns out you are right or wrong? You can shoot me an email. I am just curious if this is a common pattern with people and if it is, I have a neat idea for my group. Or if you have tested as one type earlier but switched types over the years, either on the enneagram or the Meyers Briggs, I'd like to know. Thank you!!! (If you don't want to post your result for any reason, feel free to send me an email. I'd really appreciate it!)

1 THE REFORMER
The Rational, Idealistic Type: Principled, Purposeful, Self-Controlled, and Perfectionistic

2 THE HELPER

The Caring, Interpersonal Type: Demonstrative, Generous, People-Pleasing, and Possessive

3 THE ACHIEVER
The Success-Oriented, Pragmatic Type: Adaptive, Excelling, Driven, and Image-Conscious

4 THE INDIVIDUALIST

The Sensitive, Withdrawn Type: Expressive, Dramatic, Self-Absorbed, and Temperamental

5 THE INVESTIGATOR
The Intense, Cerebral Type: Perceptive, Innovative, Secretive, and Isolated

6 THE LOYALIST

The Committed, Security-Oriented Type: Engaging, Responsible, Anxious, and Suspicious

7 THE ENTHUSIAST
The Busy, Fun-Loving Type: Spontaneous, Versatile, Distractible, and Scattered

8 THE CHALLENGER

The Powerful, Dominating Type: Self-Confident, Decisive, Willful, and Confrontational

9 THE PEACEMAKER
The Easygoing, Self-Effacing Type: Receptive, Reassuring, Agreeable, and Complacent

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6's and public speaking

2007-12-01T12:01:48Z

I hate public speaking. It is one of those things I know I will never be comfortable doing. I consider myself quite the counterphobic 6, and my 7 wing usually helps me out in the social arena, however, this is a fear I don't feel I'll ever be able to master. My hands shake, my voice shakes, and while I try to calm myself, my mind is racing and telling me "not to mess up!" It's so frustrating.

In smaller groups, I'm fine giving little speeches, even if I don't feel confident enough in what I'm saying, but 10 people or more and my mind goes crazy.

Do any of you other 6's have an intense fear of public speaking that you don't know how to get over? What are some other fears that you feel are sometimes impossible to face?

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No Nine Group?

2007-09-18T19:34:36Z

That makes me secretly angry... but I'm sure we can work something out.

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Podcast on Enneagram

2007-08-17T05:39:54Z

Go to ShrinkRapRadio to hear episode #77 for a discussion on the enneagram with Dr. Dave & guest Gabriele Hilberg

http://www.shrinkrapradio.com/shows.htm

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1 or 4? can't figure it out...?

2007-08-08T17:46:45Z

can anyone help me? I've never been able to figure out if I'm a number 1 or a number 4. When I take the tests they come out even. I know the types are related some way...but how?

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Alaska Salmon on Parade

2007-07-27T06:35:47Z

Hi Everybody. Please vote for this Salmon:

http://www.wildsalmononparade.com/2007art/pages/_C5R1365.htm

A friend of mine from high school is the artist.

John

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anyone have a type 8 kid?

2007-06-29T20:07:51Z

I'm a 4 and my daughter is an 8. She is only 8 years old so she might evolve into another point but I doubt it. Everything is about power to her and when presented with a selection of wristbands with various messages on them like "love" or "friendship" she chose "strength. We get on very well generally, but I don't know how best to deal with conflicts. The other day she was really horrid to me and I said, OK then if you think I'm so laughable then you take your bath on your own (sometimes I sit with her and we chat). She came in after and I said you should just go to bed now, I'm not coming up. She looked at me and said "I know what you're trying to do? You're trying to make me feel bad and I'm not going to do it." Then she went up to bed on her own and that was that. I felt terrible that we went to be annoyed with each other but I don't know how to deal with the 8 personality. It's quite daunting.

Anyone else found any coping strategies with dealing with conflict with 8s?

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Thomas profile and Gallup strengths

2007-01-04T08:00:12Z

I've had consultants in over the last week to help me sort out my business and they gave me two tests. Has anyone ever had either the Thomas International PPA or the Gallup Strengths tests? I was really impressed with the Gallup one but the Thomas profile came back so strangely, I didn't recognise myself at all. I was suprised because I usually find my results do describe me well on other models. I am completely confused now, thinking what if it's right? Am I really someone I don't know?

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Fitting into a box

2006-12-28T19:08:25Z

I posted on the thread, "Am I a 1 or 4". It got me to thinking. On Myers-Briggs, I usually score close to 50/50 on Extrovert/Introvert, and close to 50/50 on 2 other scales. I just did the RHETI test with 36 questions. The results were not definitive. All it says for sure is I am not an 8 or 2 - duh! Highest score was a 6 for type3. I got a score of 5 for 5 types. So I think that many people just dont fit into these nice categories. Perhaps that is my 4 coming out, but I think the world in general would be a lot better if people didnt need to think that everyone was just like themselves, and that on most factors, personality is on a continuum.
Type 1 Type 2 Type 3 Type 4 Type 5 Type 6 Type 7 Type 8 Type 9
5 2 6 4 5 5 5 1 3

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The modern Enneagram saga

2006-12-08T06:26:48Z

I have been a student of the Enneagram since 1972. For 34 years I tried to stay clear of any controversy about the ‘Western transmission” though I have followed closely the work of some people who have followed Claudio Naranjo and Oscar Ichazo. I read tribe.net also and sometimes make comments. Recently, however, as I examine what has been said about Naranjo’s work in early 70’s, I think that it might be useful to revisit those heady days in Berkeley.

I started to blog about it, but soon discovered that the format was not the right vehicle. So I set to work on three articles. The first (which does appear on my blog) tries to describe how Claudio actually worked with his first students; the second examines the muddied stories about esoteric roots of the system; and the third, which is not yet published, concerns the “Jesuit transmission.”

Here are the links. I welcome your comments.

http://truthspinners.blogspot.com/2006/11/what-is-real-work-of-enneagram.html
http://spiritual-direction-papers.blogspot.com/

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2006-08-03T23:15:19Z

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Type Sevens, Unite!

2006-07-26T23:23:24Z

Everyone else seems to have a tribe, so why not us? Fours can't be the only tribal inhabitants... ;-)

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Any 5 writers/poets?

2006-06-15T20:31:57Z

Hi, all. I'm new here. I'm a solid 5. My M-B profile has gone back and forth b/w INTP and INTJ.
Looking forward to meeting some thoughtful people here.

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newbie here...

2006-04-29T17:36:06Z

Hello, I'm a counterphobic 6 with a well developed inner shivering chihuahua. I'm new to tribe and look forward to getting to know you all; anyone want to give me a breif overview of how to best 'be' in tribe?

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Enneagram and Print Assessmnt

2006-03-14T17:14:45Z

I was wondering if anyone has heard of the Print assessment and has taken it. It's an assessment used by life coaches and possibly other groups. I don't really know the origins of it or how it was developed.

It's a system based on the Enneagram numbers. Everyone has a Major Print and Minor Print. These numbers reveal your unconscious motivators. They determine your "Best Self" when successfully using the behavior that you "like to" and "Shadow" when using the negative side of the behaviors when you "must have" something.

That's about all I've been able to find out. Internet research hasn't really turned up anything. l can't see any real benefits to Print compared to the Enneagram, other than potentially seeing yourself in another number.

I just took it a few weeks ago and tested similar but not exactly to my Enneagram type. In the Enneagram, I'm a 4w5 (very strong 5 wing). In Print, my Major is a 5 (makes sense), and my Minor is a 9. Lately I've been very focused on avoiding conflict with others and making sure all are content in new relationship dynamics. So, even though there are parts of a 9 I relate to, I am definitely an Enneagram type 4.

Just wondering if anyone else has taken Print and if so, how that compares to your Enneagram type.

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Help with a 2

2006-03-07T22:51:07Z

I'm looking for advice from some of you 2s. My mom is a 2. An overbearing, sensitive type of two whose feelings get hurt if I don't let her help me. But, when I do let her help me she tends to only want to do things her way.

For instance, I'm in the midst of a landscaping project. My mom desperately wants to help me with it. She wants to do the design and the planting (she is qualified). She is offering my step-dad to do the irrigation (again qualified). But I want to hire a landscaper to do some of it for a variety of reasons. The reason at the top of the list is that they live 5 hours away and I just want to get it done asap not piecemeal over a couple of months.

My mom's reaction is to criticize every bid I get. Ok, so I probably don't need to include her in the bids. I get that now. I didn't realize she would react this way. But, in the long term, or the next time, I'd like to be able to seek her advice but not engage her services (so to speak). How????

The other reason is that my mom has a tendency to take over these types of projects and not listen to what *I* want (been happening my whole life). She forces her opinions on me and ultimately, because she is helping me out of the "goodness of her heart," her opinons win b/c I start to feel guilty and she gets what she wants and I'm left wondering what the hell just happened.

If I reject her help, it is as if I've personally attacked her.

Anyone out there have advice for me on how best to deal with this?

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Threes?

2006-03-07T22:25:33Z

Are there any threes out there? Are we too busy working to improve our image that we don't dare tribe?

Well, I'm a 3 and I'm proud of it. I'm working hard these days on becoming more self-accepting and more authentic (to the tune of about $10,000 worth of therapy). Oh yea and I'm trying to be more modest. Well, I'm kind of working on that. To be truthful (and authentic) sometimes I like to exploit my immodest side. It blows people away and I kind of like that feeling.

Anyone else working at shedding a negative trait in favor of going towards a healthy behavior? Not just for 3s of course. I'd like to hear from everyone!

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Eureka! (+fear+bewilderment)

2005-11-16T13:34:03Z

Just finally got to the point in my new Enneagram book which tells me all about me.. things I never realised I did.. things so deeply personal to me that not even my partner knows about these things because I only had an inkling of what I was *really* doing.

It's quite a frightening and bewildering moment!

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Innocent truths or egocentrism?

2005-11-02T13:10:10Z

So far I'm deep into the Introduction of 'The Enneagram' by Helen Palmer (given to me most fortuitously by the Sensei Mango Man)... and I was struck by something most beautiful :
the deeper connection with nature that we have fleeting moments with (or, for those who are luckier, longer moments with) where we feel connected with the higher Self, takes us back to when we were very young children when we were unable to differentiate between 'me' and 'not me'. That place of freedom where the ego hadn't started to build buffers was a place which shared everything and everybody around it as if it were 'me'.
This struck such a chord with me because it seemed to explain how we are able to have these moments of deep connection with people/nature.
However!! When we were this young was this behaviour not completely egocentric??? We were unable to disassociate ourselves from everything else in the world therefore we assumed that everything = 'me'. Is this not total egocentrism?

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New tribe--Personal Transcendence

2005-10-31T23:21:27Z

I've just started a new tribe on psycho-spiritual personal development. I hope to have some good discussions around the Enneagram and it's use in personal growth.

Check it out here if interested: http://tribes.tribe.net/personaltranscendence

Thanks,
Vicki

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another four on board

2005-10-17T14:30:02Z

hello the tribe.
i just discovered tribe a few days ago.
looks like one of the better things going on the net.

yeah, the enneagram, wow, what a system huh?

i was first introduced to the enneagram twenty years ago through an ARICA student who became the co-founder of the spiritual school at our meditation center. it was our primary tool of self-observation and exploration. my lineage is with the Ichazo/Narranjo/DiamondHeart schools.

this is a truly mysterious and phenomenal evolution of natural laws being discovered within the blue print of humanity.

i look forward to knowing you all and your ideas.
may we all be unified in our circle system.

t-om

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Hmmmm..

2005-10-17T04:12:22Z

Will being around a certain type all the time making you act more like that type? maybe even fully becoming that type??

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i saw an enneagram in the sky?

2005-10-10T20:14:02Z

hey, i saw something very interesting last night. i beleive it has a lot to do with teh enneagram system. i am completley fascinated. any insights will help.

you can view my posting at the 2012 tribe.

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How to Type Others...

2005-09-09T17:54:52Z

The key to typing individuals is the same premise as GPS; by using triangulation you can always nail someones type. The goal is to type them as 3 possible numbers (either through extensive questioning or through general observation over time), and I assure you those 3 distinct types will be connected (through integration/disintegration), so for instance, a 1 will act as an unhealthy 4 at times, and as a healthy 7 at others, and since 1 is the only number connected to both those numbers, you have nailed that person's type. The 3.6.9 triad can prove more difficult, but the premise of healthy(integration) and unhealthy(disintegration) makes it fairly easy to discern the difference.

-Duardon

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Type 4 & Aquarians

2005-09-05T01:41:36Z

On the Aquarian tribe someone posted to see if other Aquarians had that feeling of being alone, even in a crowd. I felt that that was a very 4 thing. But on here I believe that the 4's were of various signs. What do you all think?

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chicago enneagram discussion group

2005-08-11T20:42:03Z

I've studied the enneagram for 10 years and I'm not a therapist. I am interested in finding people in Chicago that would like to meet once a month and discuss the enneagram.
Is anyone interested?

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hey fours and fives and whoever is into art stuff

2005-07-21T01:50:08Z

for all you artists that sometimes need some ideas / assignments / prompts
I just made up a tribe called Pretend Art School.
check it out.

tribes.tribe.net/themuse

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Type interactions with other types

2005-07-18T16:26:34Z

Hi all,

While I love the natual sense of typing myself and other people. I was wondering if anyone had information on how the types interact with each other like Employer and Empoyee relations.

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But what I really am...

2005-07-04T13:38:46Z

I have noticed a few posts about people feeling they are one #, but people think they are another #. I know that there are directional arrows from one # to another. But very often on the posts, the poster is not "following" the direction of the "approved" arrows.

When I read books, I always feel I am a 4, but the few people who know me and know Enneagram, think I am a 1 for sure. I know they are linked, but what I feel is I am going in the opposite direction from the approved way. (Being a 4, I must say, that I hope this makes sense)

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Is there a Type One Group?

2005-06-28T04:27:39Z

I just got recently into the Enneagram (again) and would like to meet fellow Type Ones.

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Type someone other

2005-06-05T00:10:35Z

This need not to be a real person. This need not to be 100% sure. Just post some hypothesis, and then discuss.

To start the fun

film directors based on their films:
Peckinpah - 8
Bergman - 6
Jerzy Sztur - 3

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too many Fours, I had to do something...

2005-05-02T17:53:10Z

http://ennea8.tribe.net/

Lobo

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Gnosticism and the Enneagram

2005-04-25T23:59:05Z

This article is amazing, it has proven to me that I have been right about my Gnostic notions. This quote particularly:

The Pistis Sophia combines the ideas of reincarnation and divine union in a verse beginning with the question:

"[What happens to] a man who has committed no sin, but done good persistently, but has not found the mysteries?" (Pistis Sophia)

The Pistis Sophia reveals such a soul will receive "a cup filled with thoughts and wisdom," allowing the soul to remember its divine origin and pursue the "mysteries of the light" until it finds them and is able to "inherit the light forever." To "inherit the light forever" is a Gnostic term for union with God.

I interpret my "cup filled with thoughts and wisdom" to be the Enneagram, which has proven to be the key to my spiritual salvation, and the catalyst for my return to the divine. Here's the article:

www.near-death.com/experien...cayce03.html

Remeber, Plato says that some of us are meant to be Guardians, and, being finally freed from our egoic cave, having seen the sun, having lived upon the true earth, we must descend back into the depths of our former bondage and reach out to others...Simply put, it is our destiny.

-Duardon

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Sandra Maitri workshop re-cap

2005-04-25T23:42:39Z

Sandra Maitri, author of The Spiritual Dimensions of the Enneagram did a daylong workshop at Spirit Rock in Marin on the 12th.

I liked it very much. There was a basic overview of the types, accompanied by two small group excercises, and then she detailed the edges of spirtual growth helpful to know, (the Holy Ideals and Virtues) in order to break through the conditioning of each type.

A few quotes I liked from her:

"One of our biggest challenges to unfoldment is when we start feeling better."

"The content is not the issue, it is your relation to it that counts."

"Open to suffering to end it."

"Simply facing what we are afraid of deepens our capacity."

Reflections? anyone else attend too?

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Personality Traits vs. Personality Disorders

2005-04-25T23:05:48Z

Peter wrote: I think the "push-pull" tendencies many Fours display in relationships is purely "personality" not "personality DISORDER."

And the underlying question, I suppose, is determining when a tendency crosses the line from personality trait to pathology. As a 4w5 who was once diagnosed with BPD (at the same time that I was also diagnosed with major depression AND bipolar NOS, so I'm not sure how accurate *any* of those diagnoses were), I noted with particular interest the apparent similarities between the description of the Four and the DSM-IV criteria for diagnosing BPD:

A pervasive pattern of instability of interpersonal relationships, self-image, and affects, and marked impulsivity beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

(1) frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment.

(2) a pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation

(3) identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self

(4) impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., spending, sex, Substance Abuse, reckless driving, binge eating).

(5) recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, or threats, or self-mutilating behavior

(6) affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability, or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days)

(7) chronic feelings of emptiness

(8) inappropriate, intense anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights)

(9) transient, stress-related paranoid ideation or severe dissociative symptoms

(see http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/disorders/borderlinepd.htm)

Oh, I'm also a psych major, so I may be looking for connections where none exists. Now if I could only find a way to use all of this knowledge to find and maintain a fulfilling relationship...

Denise

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(2)0 Questions--(1)wheres the five tribe. (2)and wheres the enneaparty?

2005-04-25T03:32:07Z

that is all. actually im really interested in the dynamics, presumptions and wish fulfillment that would arise out of knowing everyone in the rooms type. im in san francisco, anybody local down? oh and im a 5.

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full description of personality types?

2005-04-13T20:24:39Z

is there a place online to get a somewhat detailed description of the 9 personality types?

thanks,

Chip

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Eli Jaxon-Bear

2005-04-08T06:23:50Z

I am guessing most of us are familiar with the fairly "mainstream" approaches to the enneagram-- Helen Palmer, Riso/Hudson, etc.

Anybody here familiar with Eli Jaxon-Bear, and his approach to the enneagram? Any comments?

I took an enneagram workshop last week, which was largely based on Jaxon-Bear's work... the focus on "personality type" and psychology was *extremely* low, while there was a *lot* of emphasis on healing old wounds, and the more human/spiritual side of using the enneagram. Very different, but definitely worthwhile....

--Peter

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Another way of using the types

2005-04-08T00:11:01Z

Over time, an alternate way of using the types has evolved for me.

I give 1 number each for embodiment, emotion and mind.
Then, I take 1 of those 3 as the primary number for the person overall, but all 3 factor in.

So, a person has 3 numbers which describe them, with one being their primary seat as a person.

So, I'm a 2 (emotion), 1 (body) and 5 (mind), with 2 I'd say as my primary

The emotion number is either 2, 3 or 4; the mind number is either 5, 6 or 7; and the embodiment number is either 8, 9 or 1.

Here's a brief overview

For Body, there are 3 styles of embodiment

8 - This sense of body is total, definite, massive, inclusive, just 'there'. There's a feeling of strength, power, solid earthy presence, placement, kind of blunt. This is like the big beefy person who sits there like Sitting Bull, or maybe moves with a feeling that all of them is moving. As personalities these people are like bosses, or captains, linebackers, etc. Old style gurus were often 8's. When you look at an enlightened version of this type of person, it's as if there sense of body includes the entire environment, as one big all-ness. This is the totality or external body-sense

9 - This one is like the open, empty body, or the body as space, that can take any shape. Body here means the ability to embody, the flexibility which allows any body, any embodiment to happen. Movability, not having to take a position, so being very relaxed, kind of free, the sense of presence is more like space. As personalities these people are often harmonizers, bridgers, understanders, connectors. Modern gurus are often 9's. This is the relational body-sense, that is in-between, between any 2 shapes, as one moves and changes into another.

1 - This is like the channeller, they find the center line of the body, associated with the crown and the root chakras. They like to be clearly rooted and in tune. As a person, they are drawn to truth, rightness, or alignment, clarity, precision, etc. All those have to do with that center line feeling, alignment, that allows the energy to flow cleanly up and down the channel. They notice when things are 'off'. This is the internal body-sense.

For Emotion, there are 3 styles

2 - This is the emotional texture of relationship, the emotional space that exists between self and other. So it's centered around the feeling of in-between-ness, what's going on between self and some other. A # 2 person is always aware of the energy between themselves and the other person, they may alter themselves or the positioning of themselves to manage the relational energy. They are often friends, healers, family people, nurturers. They seek to optimize the emotional space of relationship, they love it when the relational energy feels really good, when it flows really well, like a dance. This is the relational emotion-sense

3 - This is the emotion around an adventure, a project, a calling, a venture, a plan, a movement. It is outward moving. It's passionate, often strident, about working hard, winning, succeeding, that sense of big emotion that happens when you really invest in something and give yourself to it. 3's like to be connected to something, motivated, committed, working on it, passionate, into it. It is the big, outward going emotion movement. This is the outward emotion-sense.

4 - This is the interior emotion within the person, at the core of their being. This feels like going deep inside a special, mystical/inspirational/unique place within the heart. It's the emotion that artists and such people relate to. It's kind of special and could be precocious. It's not really about other people or the outside world at all, but it likes to be seen and known, and especially honored as sacred. 4's are often dreamy, romantic, idealistic; and could be hard to understand or please, elusive like that space they seek inside. There is a sweet, unique, magical, transcendent space they offer, like your mystical lover, if you can approach them right. This is the internal emotion-sense.

For Mind, 3 styles

5 - This is the big mind, which likes to take it all in, see all the connections, just 'grok' the whole thing. It likes to understand or know the whole universe, so to do that it must step back, and somewhat outside of it all, in order to see it all. It likes the big idea, the grand theme, the big concept which encompasses all the interconnects. 5's have been called philosophers, they are wise yet sometimes a bit apart. This is the outward mind-sense.

6 - This is the mind of insight, penetrating to the root, often hidden. It sees the singular, central key to the puzzle, through the veils. It likes to see through the hiding, find the secret truth at the heart of the matter. It goes for the simple, not the complex. It likes to know what really makes someone tick, and assesses relationships based on the other person's deep loyalty, the root of the relationship. This is the internal mind-sense.

7 - This is the particular, comparative mind, it tastes each thing, and compares to the others, organizes, arranges and plays in the playground of it all. It loves to sample a bit of everything, and to understand it all by appreciating each unique thing in relation to each of the others. 7's have been called gourmands, connousieurs. This is the relational mind-sense.

So, for each area of our human-beingness (body, emotion, mind) we find our own root style of relating to that sphere of experience.
Then we take one of those 3 as the main place we hang out

If you multiply the possibilities out with this way of doing it, there are 27 combinations
However, it becomes 81 if you consider that a 2-5-8 person (2/emotion is primary) is different than a 5-2-8 (5/mind is primary)

If you want to get elaborate, you can still use the wing concept, the wing becomes a fine-grained way of talking about exactly how your own version of one of the numbers works.

Curious to hear what anybody has to say about this!

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transforming from one type to another?

2005-03-17T20:50:00Z

hi - i've facinated by enneagram for awhile and try to use it within my relationships, etc. but have been stuck because I'm not positive how to type myself. I feel evenly split between ONE and FOUR. I was a total four as a kid but now have grown into a ONE as an adult. My mom is a ONE and I'm wondering if I learned my new personality from her? Anyone have ideas for me?

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Enneagram @ Spirit Rock

2005-01-31T01:31:59Z

There is a daylong "Enneagram for Buddhists" workshop
at Spirit Rock Meditation center in Marin on February 12th from
9:30-5:00...check it out!
(Sandra Maitri wrote an amazing book about the enneagram)

The Enneagram for Buddhists
- Eugene Cash, Sandra Maitri
Saturday, February 12, 9am – 5pm
Spirit Rock Community Hall

The ancient spiritual system of the enneagram describes nine ego types that arise as a result of loss of contact with our true nature. It also depicts how reality looks beyond the egoic self, giving us useful guidance in opening to a more fundamental dimension of ourselves. In this daylong retreat, we will explore how working with the enneagram can clarify our understanding of self and not self, cut through our obscurations, and deepen our practice. The material will be taught through lectures and experiential exercises so that participants can personally connect with the wisdom of the enneagram.

Cost $45, plus a donation to the teachers (bring lunch). Code EC1D05. Register online now.

Sandra Maitri is the author of The Spiritual Dimension of the Enneagram and of The Enneagram of Passions and Virtues: Finding Our Way Home, to be released by Tarcher/Penguin in June 2005. She was one of the first students of Claudio Naranjo, and has studied and taught the enneagram for 35 years. She began sitting vipassana in 1971, living for two years at a meditation center in England. She is a senior teacher in the Ridhwan School, home of the Diamond Approach, teaching locally, in the UK and in Europe. She is a member of its leadership council and its director of teacher training in California.

Eugene Cash is the founding teacher of the Insight Meditation Community of San Francisco He is a teacher at Spirit Rock Meditation Center and he leads intensive meditation retreats internationally. His teaching is influenced by both Burmese and Thai streams of the Theravada tradition as well as Zen and Tibetan Buddhist practice. He is teacher in the Ridhwan School with A.H. Almaas. As a Ridhwan teacher he co-leads Diamond Approach San Francisco.

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Ennegram therapy, classes or discussion groups?

2005-01-31T01:27:45Z

Does anyone here know of anyone who offers any Enneagram services, specifically therapy, classes or discussion groups? Ideally they would be located in SF and not TOO expensive.

Has anyone had any experience with Enneagram-focused therapy?

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Any other Bohemians here?

2005-01-23T12:48:51Z

Hey type 4's! I am a 4 with a 5 wing and a line to one. I started a new tribe for the 4's to connect. Please join if you like. http://type4s.tribe.net/ And by the way... hi to the rest of you. I just found this tribe today. WOOT!

***STANDARD ISSUE BIO TO FOLLOW***

I'm a Type 4 on the Enneagram, with a strong 5 Wing and a Line to Type 1. I am a wife, a witch, a writer, an artist, a spirtual person, a faithful friend, and much more.

I am 5'2 1/2" and curveous. I have a cute little nose and deep mysterious dark brown eyes. I have red hair(normally, right now it has plum tones.... I was bored) that is just below shoulder length. I have often been told I give off a maternal vibe. It must be the Earth in me. I am a Capricorn with a Sagitarius rising and a Libra Moon.

I am 29 years old. I live in Portland, Oregon US and I absolutely adore it here. I mainly grew up in Pennsylvania and I don't miss it much. I moved here a few years back with my then boyfriend (now hubby) and now we wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

I am working on writing the mythos and descriptions for a new sci-fi board game for my current writing project. www.you-n-it.com I am also writing a science fiction novel. I am a big time geek and quite proud of it. I collect action figures and comic books. We won't even get into my gaming shelf... lol. So this is the ideal job for me.

I have been deeply devoted to my spiritual path lately. It has changed my perspective on a lot of things. I feel very fulfilled spiritually. It is nice to find the path that is right for you. It is like everything else clicks.

I am a unique person and I appreciate the unique and odd in the world. I can ramble on about something of substance or talk about the importance of understanding the Hokey Pokey IS what it is all about. I am a good listener, and I hold secrets well. I suppose this is why strangers spill their guts to me. Human nature interests me a great deal. I love trying to guess what makes people tick. I suppose that is one of the reasons I like the Enneagram. Well that and the whole *phew* there are other weirdos out there thing. lol.

Of course, being a writer, I am an avid reader.
Some of My Favorite Books :

* The Stranger by Albert Camus
* The Factotum by Charles Bukowski
* The Talisman by Stephen King and Peter Straub
* Cats Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut Jr
* Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll
* The Great and Secret Show by Clive Barker
* Spiral Dance by Starhawk
* Where the Sidewalk Ends by Shel Silverstein
* The Giving Tree by Shel Silverstein
* The Thornbirds by Colleen McCullough
* The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams
* When You Ride Alone You Ride With Bin Laden: What the Government Should Be Telling Us to Help Fight the War on Terrorism by Bill Maher
* Breakfast of Champions by Kurt Vonnegut Jr
* Hollywood by Charles Bukowski
* Neverwhere by Neil Gaiman
* Black House by Stephen King and Peter Straub

I totally dig movies, especially the bizarre ones that not many people know about.
Some of My Favorite Movies:

* May (2002-with Angela Bettis and Jeremy Sisto)
* Lost Highway
* Dark City
* Bongwater
* Donnie Darko
* What Ever Happened to Baby Jane,
* Closetland
* Star Wars
* Lord of the Rings
* Evil Dead
* Living in Oblivion
* City of Lost Children
* Night of the Living Dead
* Logan's Run
* Matrix: Reloaded
* Free Enterprise
* A Life Less Ordinary
* True Romance
* Dirty Pretty Things

I am terrible addicted to SmallVille. I even made a Smallville quiz that was based on their Enneagram types ( http://quizilla.com/users/RowanAshe/quizzes/What%20Smallville%20character%20are%20you%20most%20like%3F/ )

My musical tastes are varied. I could be listening to Vivaldi or Nick Cave depending on my mood. I like Gothic music and independent bands a lot.

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Enneagram Lecture in Portland

2005-01-14T01:28:56Z

http://www.oregonlive.com/metroeast/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/metro_east_news/110518942784020.xml

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enneagram tarot spread

2004-12-15T21:05:45Z

Greetings,

I'm wondering if anyone here has done a tarot spread as an enneagram and if so how would they interpret the spread -- ie. what meanings do they derive from each card position, the triad, and the hexad, etc.

I can see mapping the card positions to the nine Hudson/Riso types but what meaning would you derive from the triad and the hexad??

If anyone has any pointers for developing these that would be most helpful.

thanks,

obi (peacemaker)

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Apologies for My Absence...

2004-12-10T05:38:22Z

I have turned the Enneagram Tribe from a moderated tribe to a public tribe, so you can now join without having to send a request to me.

I've been off the Internet completely over the past month, but I'm back, and I'm very, very slowly digging thru my backlog of emails and messages. I've just been through a life crisis, and I'm currently grieving and sorting through the resulting insights and implications. As a result, I won't be online nearly as much as I used to be; I need to re-balance my life, and pay attention to the parts of my life that I have neglected. This Enneagram Two has (once again) been tripped up by issues of pride and entitlement, and is currentlyh learning a (very painful but necessary) lesson in humility.

I am just getting so sick and tired of all these useless and annoying social networking software services: Friendster, Orkut, Multiply, MySpace, etc. So don't expect to see me on them very much anymore (although I may still drop into the Gay Bloggers Tribe on tribe.net, which I still think is one of the better services).

You can still reach me via one of the only two internet services which I think are good enough to pay for: flickr.com (photos) and last.fm (music). My user name on both services is Quiplash; feel free to look me up, see my photos and hear my music, and say hello.

--Ryan (Quiplash).

P.S. If someone wishes to take over as moderator/host(ess) I'd be grateful, thanks :-)

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new here

2004-09-29T21:19:20Z

hey guys, im new. i just tested myself twice and i am a type 7.

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origins of the 9 types

2004-09-29T21:17:25Z

what is the origin of the 9 enneagram types?

i've heard various attributions, such as biblical, dante, etc.

why do they type names (if not descriptions) seem to vary from one author to another?

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Did everyone....?

2004-07-14T04:08:02Z

... go on vacation, or something? It seems so quiet in this group-- 60 people, and nobody saying anything. Or maybe everyone ran away to the EIDB....

--Peter

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Looking for feedback...

2004-04-18T13:55:29Z

I just put a blogpost giving an introduction to the Enneagram to my readers (since I keep mentioning it in my blog).

I'm particularly interested in feedback/criticism of my brief explanation (and particularly the chart I put up). I figured this would be a good group to ask :-)

http://s89693428.onlinehome.us/blog/archives/000551.html

--Ryan.

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enneagram and dating

2004-04-17T03:32:52Z

Is anyone familiar with this dating site:
http://enneamatch.com/

Reviews / opinions:
Does enneamatch seem to have its act together - in terms of matching people and their enneagrams?

Thanks,
Will

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Hello everybody!

2004-03-07T03:33:52Z

...and welcome to all the new people who joined us over the past couple of weeks.

It's been pretty quiet, so I'd thought that I had started reading "The Spiritual Dimension of the Enneagram: Nine Faces of the Soul" by Sandra Maitri. Several people had recommended it to me as a book well-worth reading, but somehow, maybe because it's related from such a different perspective compared to my favourite Riso/Hudson books, that's it's been a tough slog sometimes. I got as far as page 37 and haven't touched it now for at least six months.

How do other people here feel about this book? And do you have any suggestions how an over-social Two can dig into this material more effectively?

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Invitation to join Enneagram community on Orkut...

2004-02-05T01:59:58Z

I invite you to join Orkut (Google's answer to Friendster) and the newly-created Enneagram community.

orkut is a community of friends and trusted acquaintances that connects individuals through a social network that grows person by person.(just like Friendster blah blah blah)

With orkut, you can catch up with old friends, make new acquaintances through people you trust, and maybe even find that certain someone you've been looking for everywhere.

orkut helps you organize and attend events, join communities that share your interests, and find partners to participate in the activities you most enjoy.

To find out why Ryan Schultz thought you'd enjoy orkut and to discover who else you know is already a member, click on the link below:

http://www.orkut.com/Join.aspx?id=A44T3JWJ5G

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What Type Is Saddam?

2004-01-27T18:46:37Z

I figure Saddam Hussein is a classic unhealthy Eight -- the despot, the tyrant. Does anyone else here think that?

--Ryan.

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Enneagram and Social Software

2004-01-22T15:17:44Z

Do you think Social Software developers can learn something from the Enneagram theory? Are there some usefull features based on Enneagram for sites like tribe.net?

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new member

2004-01-22T00:09:43Z

hello everyone,

i have a few thoughts and questions about the enneagram, and thought i'd start a few threads here.

forte.

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The Making Of The Enneagram

2004-01-14T07:00:23Z

I culled this from "The Enneagram" by JG Bennet:

If you were to divide the number 1 (symbolic of The Unity) by each of the ordinal numbers 1 through 9, you'd find that only four of them are infinitely repeating decimals:

1 divided by 3 = .3333...etc.
1 divided by 6 = .16666...etc.
1 divided by 9 = .11111...etc
1 divided by 7 = .142857142857142857...etc.

(The other numbers are finite like 1 divided by 8 = .125)

The authors of the Enneagram thought the infinity factor of these particular numbers to be 'interesting'. So they plotted out a circle with 9 points. They first connected points 3, 6, and 9. (Creating the triangle.) Then they connected points 1, 4, 2, 8, 5, 7 (from 1 divided by 7, also representing the leftover numbers after 3, 6 and 9 are accounted for) and got the dynamic inner lines.

If you go ahead and plot out the numbers 1 - 9 on an Enneagram with 9 at the topmost point, you'll see clearly how they did it.

Smart fellas, that bunch were, eh?

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Help with wings and movements

2003-11-30T04:41:33Z

Help...I get the enneagram and can type myself, but do not understand paths from core point to stress/relaxation points or paths to others? Anyone have advise or suggestions?

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Books and Web Sites.

2003-10-24T00:22:04Z

A question to get the ball rolling in this new tribe:

In your opinion, what are some of the best books and best Web sites out there for the Enneagram?

--Ryan.

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Joanthan Abrams: an Enneagram One?

2003-10-19T13:33:04Z

Based on everything I've read about Jonathan Abrams, the founder and CEO of Friendster, he sounds like a One on the Enneagram. He's very picky about what is what is not acceptable on "his" system (e.g. the ongoing war with the fakesters).

Any other opinions? Let's liven this forum up. Feel free to disagree with me :-)

--Ryan (a.k.a. tribewhore)

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Enneagram Institute

2003-10-03T04:48:44Z

There's a fair bit of information on the Enneagram (as well as a very lively discussion forum) on the Enneagram Institute Web site at http://enneagraminstitute.com. It's a good place to start learning about the Enneagram.

--Ryan (Social Two, with a Three wing)

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