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what is the origin of the 9 enneagram types?
i've heard various attributions, such as biblical, dante, etc.
why do they type names (if not descriptions) seem to vary from one author to another?
i've heard various attributions, such as biblical, dante, etc.
why do they type names (if not descriptions) seem to vary from one author to another?
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Re: origins of the 9 types
Tue, January 13, 2004 - 5:06 PMI may be given a hard time about this, but it is my belief that the origin of the 9 types began not in some arcane place and time, but with Oscar Ichazo's discovery of the laws of the Enneagram in the 1950's.
After all, G.I. Gurdjieff, who is the only known source in the west to have delivered the enneagram here, made no reference to "typing". (He did have a unique ritual called an "idiot toast" in which he toasted one chosen student of that particular evening based on that students ego-weakness. There were not nine references to these kinds of 'idiots' though. There were many, many of them.)
I saw no reference to types in Gurdjieffs literature. I may be mistaken, and certainly I can be called on that mistake if it's so. But it would seem to me that without Gurdjieff, the enneagram would have made a slower appearance in the West, and at least, if he WAS the western "delivery boy", he would be the one to have made references to 'typing'.
If one were to get the now fast-disappearing information on the Arica Theory And System in its early stages (Ichazo's system), one would see startling parallels between the popularized enneagram types and Ichazo's theory of Protoanalysis. (There are hardly any books to be found these days, but the system itself lives in some of Ichazo's students and with Ichazo himself who lives in Hawaii.)
I may begin a thread telling the tale of how all of this stuff became so popularized and where these popular fads about it leaked from. But I may not either because it sometimes frustrates me to see how the theory has been pretty much desecrated from its original state.
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Re: origins of the 9 types
Tue, January 13, 2004 - 8:46 PMOh yeah, and to address your question:
"why do the type names (if not descriptions) seem to vary from one author to another?"
It's because the information was prematurely "leaked" from its original source. It became like the "telephone game" where, as the info passed from hand to hand, it changed slightly. This is also in reference to the mention I made about how this stuff actually did become popularized, which as I said, I don't know if I'm going to comment on.
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Re: origins of the 9 types
Mon, September 27, 2004 - 5:17 AMYeah, I'd agree with that - I've heard that Ichazo has been severely misunderstood. There's absolutely no evidence that the Enneagram held any serious personality typing in ancient esotericism, though - I tend to doubt that. But there's nothing available at the moment to prove otherwise - at least according to David Allen Hulse there's not.
Jason
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Re: origins of the 9 types
Wed, January 14, 2004 - 12:41 AMThe "ancient" origins of the Enneagram refer to the symbol, more than the personality descriptions.
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Re: origins of the 9 types
Wed, January 14, 2004 - 7:27 PMThere's a really good summary of the origins of the Enneagram in the preface to the Riso/Hudson book "The Wisdom of the Enneagram" (I don't have a copy handy at the moment, but if I can find it I'll post a little bit...)
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Re: origins of the 9 types
Wed, September 29, 2004 - 2:17 PMI've also recently come across an EXCELLENT overview of Enneagram history in an Australian book (forget the title at the moment), about the use of the Enneagram in teaching and learning environments.
I'll dig up the reference and perhaps share a bit of the text.
Sorry I haven't been around too much.
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