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I have noticed a few posts about people feeling they are one #, but people think they are another #. I know that there are directional arrows from one # to another. But very often on the posts, the poster is not "following" the direction of the "approved" arrows.
When I read books, I always feel I am a 4, but the few people who know me and know Enneagram, think I am a 1 for sure. I know they are linked, but what I feel is I am going in the opposite direction from the approved way. (Being a 4, I must say, that I hope this makes sense)
When I read books, I always feel I am a 4, but the few people who know me and know Enneagram, think I am a 1 for sure. I know they are linked, but what I feel is I am going in the opposite direction from the approved way. (Being a 4, I must say, that I hope this makes sense)
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Re: But what I really am...
Wed, June 29, 2005 - 4:22 PMHarlan -
A true Four would feel that nobody ELSE should go in the "unapproved" direction, but would feel that they, because of special circumstances, should.
D.
(A "special" Four - I'm not like the rest of them!)
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Re: But what I really am...
Wed, June 29, 2005 - 5:08 PMI think you're a 4 if you think you're a 4. I spend a lot of time in 1 because that's when I'm getting stuff done, focussing in on the near at hand. I feel good when I'm like this but I know it's a step removed from my true essence.
It sounds like they think you're a 1 which means you stress into 4. I suppose you could try to work it out by figuring that when you're in the 1 space, it's positive if you are actually a 4 so you would be less likely to go around critisizing anyone (or yourself) than you would be to feel confident and productive. Similarly when you're down do you try to overcompensate with others or do you shut off? This might be easier to work out than what your core strategy is, ie perfection (1) or specialness (4).
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Re: But what I really am...
Wed, June 29, 2005 - 5:45 PMI think that I was a One when I was younger -- typical perfectionist overachiever, straight-A student, valedictorian. (I will never forget how much trouble I got into when I was 9 years old and brought home a 95 on a social studies test. "Why isn't it a 100?" demanded my mother, whom I have typed as a -- you guessed it -- One.) I even developed a classic case of anorexia nervosa when I was 16. It was so textbook that I diagnosed it myself before my mother dragged me to the doctor.
It distresses me a bit to consider that I may have disintegrated (or deteriorated?) to a Four in my adulthood.
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Re: But what I really am...
Thu, June 30, 2005 - 6:18 PMMy experience has been that typing other people (and thus, letting other people type YOU) can be a fun parlor game, but ultimately only YOU can type yourself. Whereas other people can see your outward expression of your "personality" only you have access to the inner motivations that drive you. So if Four "feels" right to you, odds are pretty good that you ARE a Four. Do you know what exactly your friends who think you're a One are basing those ideas on?
I don't know how long you have been a student of the enneagram, but I have to confess that it took me several years to accurately type myself-- and that's not horribly unusual.
I don't really think our core type changes over the course of our lives, but I suppose our environment and circumstances may temporarily cause us to "act" in a different way from our natural style. For example, when I was running a business and managing employees, I am sure I was very Three-ish, compared to how I am now that I am self-employed.
Just my $0.02 worth.
--Peter
9w1(sx)/INFJ
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Unsu...
Re: But what I really am...
Sun, July 3, 2005 - 4:13 PMOne way to consider it is:
There is a primary, essence quality that you would hang out in, all else being equal
All else is not usually equal, and in many cases you have to simply survive in a given circumstance
To survive, you might develop another quality very strongly ... this gets you to success and validation, and creates a safe boundaried space within which the real you can ultimately develop
When that real essence develops enough, gets strong enough, then the constructed/adopted one can be lain aside ... but can always still be useful as a skillset
So perhaps you are a dreamy, inventive, passionate, artistic 4-ish primarily ... but cirumstances were such that you had to master clarity/precision/definition in a 1-ish way in order to survive and thrive
Especially in business, politics, academics and harder-edged areas, people may see that sharper side presenting itself, and you may be good at that
But where you may feel most at home as a being is in that heart-dreamer space
So, maybe you're just multi-talented and you can be all things to all people !
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Re: But what I really am...
Mon, July 4, 2005 - 1:15 AMTry looking not at the description of a 4, but at how a 4 (or a 1) reacts to stressful situations, and compare descriptions.
Because the telling fact for me is that while others have typed me as a 5, or even (if I recall) a 7, the reality is that I react as a textbook 9, and, in typing, that's what I come out as.
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Re: But what I really am...
Mon, July 4, 2005 - 5:57 AMSpeaking of others typing me, I have been typed as a One, Four and Five. In looking at that, those are also the types, OTHER than Nine, that resonate the most with me. When I first found the enneagram, I took quite a while to figure out my type. Before I knew much about "how it works," I thought I was "A Nine with a Four wing," because the Four-ish aspects of me are quite strong. Some years later, I learned that Nines who are the "sexual" variant can look a lot like Fours, in certain ways.
It's a bit like Wayne Dyer says-- "just because someone calls you something, doesn't MAKE you that."
--Peter
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Unsu...
Speaking of variants...
Mon, July 4, 2005 - 6:38 AM...I have heard the following:
"How many legs does a dog have if you call its tail a leg?"
"Four. Calling its tail a leg doesn't MAKE it one."
Or a One, for that matter.
Sorry for the silliness. Too much caffeine too early, I guess.
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