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Over time, an alternate way of using the types has evolved for me.
I give 1 number each for embodiment, emotion and mind.
Then, I take 1 of those 3 as the primary number for the person overall, but all 3 factor in.
So, a person has 3 numbers which describe them, with one being their primary seat as a person.
So, I'm a 2 (emotion), 1 (body) and 5 (mind), with 2 I'd say as my primary
The emotion number is either 2, 3 or 4; the mind number is either 5, 6 or 7; and the embodiment number is either 8, 9 or 1.
Here's a brief overview
For Body, there are 3 styles of embodiment
8 - This sense of body is total, definite, massive, inclusive, just 'there'. There's a feeling of strength, power, solid earthy presence, placement, kind of blunt. This is like the big beefy person who sits there like Sitting Bull, or maybe moves with a feeling that all of them is moving. As personalities these people are like bosses, or captains, linebackers, etc. Old style gurus were often 8's. When you look at an enlightened version of this type of person, it's as if there sense of body includes the entire environment, as one big all-ness. This is the totality or external body-sense
9 - This one is like the open, empty body, or the body as space, that can take any shape. Body here means the ability to embody, the flexibility which allows any body, any embodiment to happen. Movability, not having to take a position, so being very relaxed, kind of free, the sense of presence is more like space. As personalities these people are often harmonizers, bridgers, understanders, connectors. Modern gurus are often 9's. This is the relational body-sense, that is in-between, between any 2 shapes, as one moves and changes into another.
1 - This is like the channeller, they find the center line of the body, associated with the crown and the root chakras. They like to be clearly rooted and in tune. As a person, they are drawn to truth, rightness, or alignment, clarity, precision, etc. All those have to do with that center line feeling, alignment, that allows the energy to flow cleanly up and down the channel. They notice when things are 'off'. This is the internal body-sense.
For Emotion, there are 3 styles
2 - This is the emotional texture of relationship, the emotional space that exists between self and other. So it's centered around the feeling of in-between-ness, what's going on between self and some other. A # 2 person is always aware of the energy between themselves and the other person, they may alter themselves or the positioning of themselves to manage the relational energy. They are often friends, healers, family people, nurturers. They seek to optimize the emotional space of relationship, they love it when the relational energy feels really good, when it flows really well, like a dance. This is the relational emotion-sense
3 - This is the emotion around an adventure, a project, a calling, a venture, a plan, a movement. It is outward moving. It's passionate, often strident, about working hard, winning, succeeding, that sense of big emotion that happens when you really invest in something and give yourself to it. 3's like to be connected to something, motivated, committed, working on it, passionate, into it. It is the big, outward going emotion movement. This is the outward emotion-sense.
4 - This is the interior emotion within the person, at the core of their being. This feels like going deep inside a special, mystical/inspirational/unique place within the heart. It's the emotion that artists and such people relate to. It's kind of special and could be precocious. It's not really about other people or the outside world at all, but it likes to be seen and known, and especially honored as sacred. 4's are often dreamy, romantic, idealistic; and could be hard to understand or please, elusive like that space they seek inside. There is a sweet, unique, magical, transcendent space they offer, like your mystical lover, if you can approach them right. This is the internal emotion-sense.
For Mind, 3 styles
5 - This is the big mind, which likes to take it all in, see all the connections, just 'grok' the whole thing. It likes to understand or know the whole universe, so to do that it must step back, and somewhat outside of it all, in order to see it all. It likes the big idea, the grand theme, the big concept which encompasses all the interconnects. 5's have been called philosophers, they are wise yet sometimes a bit apart. This is the outward mind-sense.
6 - This is the mind of insight, penetrating to the root, often hidden. It sees the singular, central key to the puzzle, through the veils. It likes to see through the hiding, find the secret truth at the heart of the matter. It goes for the simple, not the complex. It likes to know what really makes someone tick, and assesses relationships based on the other person's deep loyalty, the root of the relationship. This is the internal mind-sense.
7 - This is the particular, comparative mind, it tastes each thing, and compares to the others, organizes, arranges and plays in the playground of it all. It loves to sample a bit of everything, and to understand it all by appreciating each unique thing in relation to each of the others. 7's have been called gourmands, connousieurs. This is the relational mind-sense.
So, for each area of our human-beingness (body, emotion, mind) we find our own root style of relating to that sphere of experience.
Then we take one of those 3 as the main place we hang out
If you multiply the possibilities out with this way of doing it, there are 27 combinations
However, it becomes 81 if you consider that a 2-5-8 person (2/emotion is primary) is different than a 5-2-8 (5/mind is primary)
If you want to get elaborate, you can still use the wing concept, the wing becomes a fine-grained way of talking about exactly how your own version of one of the numbers works.
Curious to hear what anybody has to say about this!
I give 1 number each for embodiment, emotion and mind.
Then, I take 1 of those 3 as the primary number for the person overall, but all 3 factor in.
So, a person has 3 numbers which describe them, with one being their primary seat as a person.
So, I'm a 2 (emotion), 1 (body) and 5 (mind), with 2 I'd say as my primary
The emotion number is either 2, 3 or 4; the mind number is either 5, 6 or 7; and the embodiment number is either 8, 9 or 1.
Here's a brief overview
For Body, there are 3 styles of embodiment
8 - This sense of body is total, definite, massive, inclusive, just 'there'. There's a feeling of strength, power, solid earthy presence, placement, kind of blunt. This is like the big beefy person who sits there like Sitting Bull, or maybe moves with a feeling that all of them is moving. As personalities these people are like bosses, or captains, linebackers, etc. Old style gurus were often 8's. When you look at an enlightened version of this type of person, it's as if there sense of body includes the entire environment, as one big all-ness. This is the totality or external body-sense
9 - This one is like the open, empty body, or the body as space, that can take any shape. Body here means the ability to embody, the flexibility which allows any body, any embodiment to happen. Movability, not having to take a position, so being very relaxed, kind of free, the sense of presence is more like space. As personalities these people are often harmonizers, bridgers, understanders, connectors. Modern gurus are often 9's. This is the relational body-sense, that is in-between, between any 2 shapes, as one moves and changes into another.
1 - This is like the channeller, they find the center line of the body, associated with the crown and the root chakras. They like to be clearly rooted and in tune. As a person, they are drawn to truth, rightness, or alignment, clarity, precision, etc. All those have to do with that center line feeling, alignment, that allows the energy to flow cleanly up and down the channel. They notice when things are 'off'. This is the internal body-sense.
For Emotion, there are 3 styles
2 - This is the emotional texture of relationship, the emotional space that exists between self and other. So it's centered around the feeling of in-between-ness, what's going on between self and some other. A # 2 person is always aware of the energy between themselves and the other person, they may alter themselves or the positioning of themselves to manage the relational energy. They are often friends, healers, family people, nurturers. They seek to optimize the emotional space of relationship, they love it when the relational energy feels really good, when it flows really well, like a dance. This is the relational emotion-sense
3 - This is the emotion around an adventure, a project, a calling, a venture, a plan, a movement. It is outward moving. It's passionate, often strident, about working hard, winning, succeeding, that sense of big emotion that happens when you really invest in something and give yourself to it. 3's like to be connected to something, motivated, committed, working on it, passionate, into it. It is the big, outward going emotion movement. This is the outward emotion-sense.
4 - This is the interior emotion within the person, at the core of their being. This feels like going deep inside a special, mystical/inspirational/unique place within the heart. It's the emotion that artists and such people relate to. It's kind of special and could be precocious. It's not really about other people or the outside world at all, but it likes to be seen and known, and especially honored as sacred. 4's are often dreamy, romantic, idealistic; and could be hard to understand or please, elusive like that space they seek inside. There is a sweet, unique, magical, transcendent space they offer, like your mystical lover, if you can approach them right. This is the internal emotion-sense.
For Mind, 3 styles
5 - This is the big mind, which likes to take it all in, see all the connections, just 'grok' the whole thing. It likes to understand or know the whole universe, so to do that it must step back, and somewhat outside of it all, in order to see it all. It likes the big idea, the grand theme, the big concept which encompasses all the interconnects. 5's have been called philosophers, they are wise yet sometimes a bit apart. This is the outward mind-sense.
6 - This is the mind of insight, penetrating to the root, often hidden. It sees the singular, central key to the puzzle, through the veils. It likes to see through the hiding, find the secret truth at the heart of the matter. It goes for the simple, not the complex. It likes to know what really makes someone tick, and assesses relationships based on the other person's deep loyalty, the root of the relationship. This is the internal mind-sense.
7 - This is the particular, comparative mind, it tastes each thing, and compares to the others, organizes, arranges and plays in the playground of it all. It loves to sample a bit of everything, and to understand it all by appreciating each unique thing in relation to each of the others. 7's have been called gourmands, connousieurs. This is the relational mind-sense.
So, for each area of our human-beingness (body, emotion, mind) we find our own root style of relating to that sphere of experience.
Then we take one of those 3 as the main place we hang out
If you multiply the possibilities out with this way of doing it, there are 27 combinations
However, it becomes 81 if you consider that a 2-5-8 person (2/emotion is primary) is different than a 5-2-8 (5/mind is primary)
If you want to get elaborate, you can still use the wing concept, the wing becomes a fine-grained way of talking about exactly how your own version of one of the numbers works.
Curious to hear what anybody has to say about this!
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Re: Another way of using the types
Thu, April 7, 2005 - 11:53 AMSeems to me this is just a reiteration of the 3 type groups. Somebody who's a plain-ol' 9 (a gut or body type as oppsed to heart/emotion or head/mind type) probably has a 9 comportment, sharing physical space with others, a 9 emotional style (accommodating and recepting, up to passive) and a 9 mental style (seeing all sides of a situation, with the attendant problems making a conclusive judgement).
There's a whole book out there on ennegram body types, by Joel Friendlander. This is the actually physical body appearance. it covers all 9 points on the enneagram, not just 8, 9, and 1. (Google doesn't really have any info on this book, it's pretty obscure, but for whatever reason I have it!)
So why not expand your scheme to say that you could be any of the 9 for each of embodiment, emotion, and mind? To describe very roughly my concept of embodiment the rest of the way 'round, a 2 would be soft and cuddly, probably, a 3 lean and athletic, a 4 probably fluid, graceful, and somewhat indolent whatever their size/weight, 5 very physically reserved without much need to move expressed, 6 thin and wiry (ready for anything), and 7 fidgety, ready to move all the time. As just one other example, a mental 1 would be someone who easily makes quick judgements about things based on rules.
My traditional type is 9w1. Mentally I relate strongly to points 9/1, 5, and 6. Physically I might be more of a 7, but 9 does fit me there too (I'm either fidgeting or completely calm). Emotionally, I might be more 6 than anything (the back-arrow of 9) as I can be pretty angsty, but I also feel a lot like a 4. Point 9 ties it all together for me, though; I definitely feel that's my central way of relating to the world. -
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Re: Another way of using the types
Thu, April 7, 2005 - 3:44 PMThe system I'm describing is based on some general ideas:
There are 3 primary senses of being within any realm: core, other/relational and total
These also corresponds loosely to
- the one, the many and the inseparable one/many
- self, world and totality
- inside, outside, both
- active, receptive, reconciling
etc
The enneagram's nine points are subdivided into 3 areas corresponding to body (8-9-1), emotion (2-3-4), mind (5-6-7)
Each area is both a realm of experience (body, emotion, mind) and a way of experiencing (embodying, feeling, knowing)
Each of the 3 points within each of these areas, corresponds to a sense of being in that realm
8 is the totality/presence/weight/definite sense of body
9 is the relational/open/available/flexible sense of body
1 is the core/centerline/alignment/precision sense of body
2 is the relational sense of feeling
3 is the total/movement/expansive/vast sense of feeling
4 is the core/inner/mystery sense of feeling
5 is the total/comprehensive sense of mind
6 is the core/insight sense of mind
7 is the relational sense of mind
Then there are 3 questions:
- How do you embody the body realm?
- How do you feel the emotion realm?
- How do you know the mind realm?
or
- What is the root sense of body?
- What is the root sense of emotion?
- What is the root sense of mind?
This asks how a given realm is understood by the action of that realm itself ....
How that realm resolves itself (within itself) to a root, for you
This is not how the body appears, looks, behaves, seems, feels, its style, persona, vibe, etc
Instead it has to do with the method of sensing by which the person tunes into the root reality of that realm, using the characteristic action of that realm itself
The root sense for a realm is where you go when trying to root yourself, to find your root, to find a sense of basic reality there ... it's like the home
How does the body find itself?
How does the feeling find itself?
How does the mind find itself?
Eg, What is body-ness? What is the essential meaning of body? What is the fundamental touchstone sense of the reality of body?
Those 3 answers give you a pretty good sense of who the person is, using a more or less handy method
There's an additional question:
- Which of these realms is your primary seat? -
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Re: Another way of using the types
Thu, April 7, 2005 - 5:11 PMAh, that is an interesting twist on things. I'll have to let it soak in though, it didn't leap out to me as obviously as the general enneagram stuff I've read. I hope to see this elaborated on further in dialog.
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